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Posted By : ChickenArise - 4/8/2017 9:45 PM
Multiple Bart infection treated:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3962907/

"Treatment with azithromycin (500 mg daily for 3 days, repeated after 7 days) plus minocycline (50 mg daily for 2 weeks) cleared the blood and saliva of the RNA and DNA of all three Bartonella species."

Reliable Cheaper Testing (China)
/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5187759/

"LAMP method is rapid and simple to perform, requiring only a water bath or heating block for amplification...LAMP has high sensitivity and specificity compared to conventional, nested or qPCR for the detection of several intracellular bacteria.. and in distinguishing intraerythrocytic protozoan parasites, such as Plasmodium spp. and Babesia spp. [30,31]. The present study is the first report of a LAMP assay to identify B. Quintana"

The following pertains to Central and S. America. Highlights are quoted:

Detection of a Potential New Bartonella Species “Candidatus Bartonella rondoniensis” in Human Biting Kissing Bugs (South America)

/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5271407/

"Depending on the gene fragment used, this agent shares 84% to 91% of identity with B. bacilliformis, the agent of the deadly Carrion’s disease"

(Peru)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5382735/

"The genus Bartonella contains >40 species, and an increasing number of these Bartonella species are being implicated in human disease. One such pathogen is Bartonella ancashensis, which was isolated in blood samples from 2 patients living in Caraz, Peru, during a clinical trial of treatment for bartonellosis...Whole-genome analyses confirmed our previous identification of the isolates as a new species (B. ancashensis)
AUG14:Mold Sick.FALL16:Clinical Bart/Borellia.
NOV16:Lung Pain JAN17:Morg Scalp (resolved)
FEB17 Pupils, throat glow UV light.
Xanax,Kratom,Ambien,+Biaxin,+Fluconazole,+Augmentin,Tini(P),+Doxy(P),Order Rif
A-Cycling:Nitazoxanide
MAR17:+DEC,+Stabilized Oxygen O7
Focus:Morgellons pre fibrous
Proto:Mod Klinghardt
Tx: self

Posted By : bluelyme - 4/8/2017 11:53 PM
Yep good ol bacciliformis ...did you order rifampin and zith yet ?

Posted By : ChickenArise - 4/9/2017 6:10 AM
bluelyme said...
Yep good ol bacciliformis ...did you order rifampin and zith yet ?


Gonna order them both today. I am just trying to decide it I need Minocycline or others and how much of each. So I am asking all of these drug questions.

I don't want to waste money and I feel like that is what I did with the supplemental Amoxy. Its cheap so it wasn't a lot of money but the highest I got to was 3000mg plus the 3 Augmentin a day.

I am still on the 3 Augmentin a day and will be until mid May but the high dose of amoxy wasn't helping. If anything it was making things worse.
AUG14:Mold Sick.FALL16:Clinical Bart/Borellia.
NOV16:Lung Pain. JAN17:Morg Scalp (resolved)
FEB17: Pupils, throat glow UV light.
Xanax,Kratom,Ambien,+Biaxin,+Fluconazole,+Augmentin,-Tini(P),+Doxy(P),Order Rif
Now Cycling: Albendazole
MAR17:+DEC,+Stabilized Oxygen O7
Focus:Morgellons pre fibrous
Proto:Mod Klinghardt
Tx: self

Posted By : Girlie - 4/9/2017 9:51 AM
ChickenArise said...
bluelyme said...
Yep good ol bacciliformis ...did you order rifampin and zith yet ?


Gonna order them both today. I am just trying to decide it I need Minocycline or others and how much of each. So I am asking all of these drug questions.

I don't want to waste money and I feel like that is what I did with the supplemental Amoxy. Its cheap so it wasn't a lot of money but the highest I got to was 3000mg plus the 3 Augmentin a day.

I am still on the 3 Augmentin a day and will be until mid May but the high dose of amoxy wasn't helping. If anything it was making things worse.


Were you on the amoxy long enough?
And with what else?
Moderator, Lyme Forum
Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Posted By : ChickenArise - 4/9/2017 10:22 AM
Anthelmintic Cycling Early November to present (Ivermectin, pyrantel, prazi, alinia, mebendazole) . Long run of Fluconazole thru December.

Iraconazole 1jan-28jan

Amoxy & Fluconazole since 28jan.

Augmentin and Biaxin since 17feb.

Tini 26feb 2 weeks on/off repeating.

Diethycarbamazine 1MAR to present.

Doxy re-added 2apr.

Reduced supplemental amoxy 5Apr.

Still taking Augmentin thru 17May barring complication (None)

Added Albendazole this morning.
AUG14:Mold Sick.FALL16:Clinical Bart/Borellia.
NOV16:Lung Pain. JAN17:Morg Scalp (resolved)
FEB17: Pupils, throat glow UV light.
Xanax,Kratom,Ambien,+Biaxin,+Fluconazole,+Augmentin,-Tini(P),+Doxy(P),Order Rif
Now Cycling: Albendazole
MAR17:+DEC,+Stabilized Oxygen O7
Focus:Morgellons pre fibrous
Proto:Mod Klinghardt
Tx: self

Post Edited (ChickenArise) : 4/9/2017 11:28:12 AM (GMT-6)


Posted By : Girlie - 4/9/2017 11:22 AM
ChickenArise said...
Anthelmintic Cycling Early November to present (Ivermectin, pyrantel, prazi, alinia, mebendazole) . Long run of Fluconazole thru December.

Iraconazole 1jan-28jan

Amoxy & Fluconazole since 28jan.

Augmentin and Biaxin since 17feb.

Tini 26feb 2 weeks on/off repeating.

Diethycarbamazine 1MAR to present.

Doxy re-added 2apr.

Reduced supplemental amoxy 5Apr.

Still taking Augmentin thru 17May barring complication (None)

Added Albendazole this morning.


Okay - when you said it wasn't working - you are talking about as part of a parasite protocol not for lyme/bart/babesia treatment. Is Amoxy supposed to work for parasites?
Moderator, Lyme Forum
Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Post Edited (Girlie) : 4/9/2017 12:27:09 PM (GMT-6)


Posted By : ChickenArise - 4/9/2017 11:47 AM
Girlie said...
ChickenArise said...
Anthelmintic Cycling Early November to present (Ivermectin, pyrantel, prazi, alinia, mebendazole) . Long run of Fluconazole thru December.

Iraconazole 1jan-28jan

Amoxy & Fluconazole since 28jan.

Augmentin and Biaxin since 17feb.

Tini 26feb 2 weeks on/off repeating.

Diethycarbamazine 1MAR to present.

Doxy re-added 2apr.

Reduced supplemental amoxy 5Apr.

Still taking Augmentin thru 17May barring complication (None)

Added Albendazole this morning.


Okay - when you said it wasn't working - you are talking about as part of a parasite protocol not for lyme/bart/babesia treatment. Is Amoxy supposed to work for parasites?


High dose Amoxy/Tinidazole is a Lyme treatment but yes I am also treating for parasites based on a modified Dr. K protocol. Its all a different shade of grey from where I am standing. If I respond to it I continue, if I don't I will stop.

The Bartonella just grows stronger in the face of most of my treatments. It responds mildly to Doxy but I know Doxy is not the answer. We have come full circle to the fact that I need to address the Bartonella. Yourself and others have been a big help in me addressing this. Its a shame I have to wait a month to get my hands on Rifampin for how old of a drug it is.

Don't get me wrong, it could be a lot worse. It was a lot worse. I am strategizing the Bart treatment now as this seems to be the next logical step. Thanks for all of your continued help.
AUG14:Mold Sick.FALL16:Clinical Bart/Borellia.
NOV16:Lung Pain. JAN17:Morg Scalp (resolved)
FEB17: Pupils, throat glow UV light.
Xanax,Kratom,Ambien,+Biaxin,+Fluconazole,+Augmentin,-Tini(P),+Doxy(P),Order Rif
Now Cycling: Albendazole
MAR17:+DEC,+Stabilized Oxygen O7
Focus:Morgellons pre fibrous
Proto:Mod Klinghardt
Tx: self

Post Edited (ChickenArise) : 4/9/2017 1:01:20 PM (GMT-6)


Posted By : Girlie - 4/9/2017 12:06 PM
ChickenArise said...
Girlie said...
ChickenArise said...
Anthelmintic Cycling Early November to present (Ivermectin, pyrantel, prazi, alinia, mebendazole) . Long run of Fluconazole thru December.

Iraconazole 1jan-28jan

Amoxy & Fluconazole since 28jan.

Augmentin and Biaxin since 17feb.

Tini 26feb 2 weeks on/off repeating.

Diethycarbamazine 1MAR to present.

Doxy re-added 2apr.

Reduced supplemental amoxy 5Apr.

Still taking Augmentin thru 17May barring complication (None)

Added Albendazole this morning.


Okay - when you said it wasn't working - you are talking about as part of a parasite protocol not for lyme/bart/babesia treatment. Is Amoxy supposed to work for parasites?


High dose Amoxy/Tinidazole is a Lyme treatment but yes I am also treating for parasites based on a modified Dr. K protocol. Its all a different shade of grey from where I am standing. If I respond to it I continue, if I don't I will stop.

The Bartonella just grows stronger in the face of most of my treatments. It responds mildly to Doxy but I know Doxy is not the answer. We have come full circle to the fact that I need to address the Bartonella. Yourself and others have been a big help in me addressing this. Its a shame I have to wait a month to get my hands on Rifampin for how old of a drug it is.

Don't get me wrong, it could be a lot worse. It was a lot worse. I am strategizing the Bart treatment now as this seems to be the next logical step. Thanks for all of your continued help.


Okay -

Doxy can be paired with Rifampin...if you don't want to do minocycline. You do need another antibiotic to do with the Rifampin.
Moderator, Lyme Forum
Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Posted By : astroman - 4/9/2017 12:38 PM
So these are a new species? (how?)

Or just newly found. (makes more sense).

Posted By : ChickenArise - 4/9/2017 1:04 PM
Girlie said...


Okay -

Doxy can be paired with Rifampin...if you don't want to do minocycline. You do need another antibiotic to do with the Rifampin.


Im getting Mino and I have doxy if I run out. Im also getting Azithro

Can I take the whole Rifampin 600mg at once? These look like difficult to split capsules.

If not and I must take every 12 hours then I will get the lower dose.

astroman said...
So these are a new species? (how?)

Or just newly found. (makes more sense).


Good question. There must be a registry somewhere that might tip us off.

Posted By : Girlie - 4/9/2017 1:07 PM
Chicken - are you not ordering 300 mg capsules?
Moderator, Lyme Forum
Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Posted By : Girlie - 4/9/2017 1:10 PM
I started rifampin by taking a 300 mg capsule and splitting it (bought some empty capsules and did my best to split in half) - did that for a week ? (can't remember exactly how long)

Then did 300 mg capsules once daily - for a few more weeks...before going to 300 mg twice daily.


After many, many months on that dosage...my LLND (after a positive pcr bart test) switched me to 600 mg once daily...and wow - it hit me harder than the 300 mg twice daily.

Liver enzymes were great - the best they'v been since lyme treatment started.
Moderator, Lyme Forum
Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Posted By : ChickenArise - 4/9/2017 1:12 PM
Girlie said...
Chicken - are you not ordering 300 mg capsules?


I wanted to save money if at all possible and order the 600mg and take it at once or split the dose but these look like capsules therefore if it is impractical or irresponsible based on your response, then I will order the 300 mg.

I am not afraid of herxing so don't factor this in.

So it sounds like you can do either its just a bit of a pain.

Is each ball inside the capsule the drug or are some of them filler? Are they all the same color inside the capsule?
AUG14:Mold Sick.FALL16:Clinical Bart/Borellia.
NOV16:Lung Pain. JAN17:Morg Scalp (resolved)
FEB17: Pupils, throat glow UV light.
Xanax,Kratom,Ambien,+Biaxin,+Fluconazole,+Augmentin,-Tini(P),+Doxy(P),Order Rif
Now Cycling: Albendazole
MAR17:+DEC,+Stabilized Oxygen O7
Focus:Morgellons pre fibrous
Proto:Mod Klinghardt
Tx: self

Post Edited (ChickenArise) : 4/9/2017 2:19:20 PM (GMT-6)


Posted By : Girlie - 4/9/2017 1:15 PM
Well you could order half and half...and after you've used the 300 mg...you can switch to once daily 600 mg.
Will save you some money.


I do think it's hitting it harder....and I think it's maybe 50/50 with the LLMD's - how they prescribe it.
Moderator, Lyme Forum
Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Posted By : ChickenArise - 4/9/2017 1:20 PM
Girlie said...
Well you could order half and half...and after you've used the 300 mg...you can switch to once daily 600 mg.
Will save you some money.


I do think it's hitting it harder....and I think it's maybe 50/50 with the LLMD's - how they prescribe it.


Good Idea. Thanks!
AUG14:Mold Sick.FALL16:Clinical Bart/Borellia.
NOV16:Lung Pain. JAN17:Morg Scalp (resolved)
FEB17: Pupils, throat glow UV light.
Xanax,Kratom,Ambien,+Biaxin,+Fluconazole,+Augmentin,-Tini(P),+Doxy(P),Order Rif
Now Cycling: Albendazole
MAR17:+DEC,+Stabilized Oxygen O7
Focus:Morgellons pre fibrous
Proto:Mod Klinghardt
Tx: self

Posted By : ChickenArise - 4/9/2017 1:32 PM
LOL, I checked and we are looking at a 2 cent savings per day. In this case the convenience is worth the extra penny! Ill order the 300mg. Thanks again.
AUG14:Mold Sick.FALL16:Clinical Bart/Borellia.
NOV16:Lung Pain. JAN17:Morg Scalp (resolved)
FEB17: Pupils, throat glow UV light.
Xanax,Kratom,Ambien,+Biaxin,+Fluconazole,+Augmentin,-Tini(P),+Doxy(P),Order Rif
Now Cycling: Albendazole
MAR17:+DEC,+Stabilized Oxygen O7
Focus:Morgellons pre fibrous
Proto:Mod Klinghardt
Tx: self

Posted By : Girlie - 4/9/2017 1:55 PM
ChickenArise said...
LOL, I checked and we are looking at a 2 cent savings per day. In this case the convenience is worth the extra penny! Ill order the 300mg. Thanks again.


haha...yup...
Moderator, Lyme Forum
Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Posted By : bluelyme - 4/9/2017 10:27 PM
Also chxarise ,get a cbc with diff from el doctoro there to monitor your liver enzymes ,you have been putting it thru the ringer ...and riffy is no joke ...
please and please with sugar on top...u only got 1

Posted By : ChickenArise - 4/10/2017 6:27 AM
bluelyme said...
Also chxarise ,get a cbc with diff from el doctoro there to monitor your liver enzymes ,you have been putting it thru the ringer ...and riffy is no joke ...
please and please with sugar on top...u only got 1


(LOL, el doctoro)
I cant argue the facts, when youre right, youre right. Thanks for caring, Blue.
AUG14:Mold Sick.FALL16:Clinical Bart/Borellia.
NOV16:Lung Pain. JAN17:Morg Scalp (resolved)
FEB17: Pupils, throat glow UV light.
Xanax,Kratom,Ambien,+Biaxin,+Fluconazole,+Augmentin,-Tini(P),+Doxy(P),Order Rif
Now Cycling: Albendazole
MAR17:+DEC,+Stabilized Oxygen O7
Focus:Morgellons pre fibrous
Proto:Mod Klinghardt
Tx: self

Posted By : Rikky1 - 4/10/2017 8:30 AM
>>Treatment with azithromycin (500 mg daily for 3 days, repeated after 7 days) plus minocycline (50 mg daily for 2 weeks) cleared the blood and saliva of the RNA and DNA of all three Bartonella species."

this one was good for a laugh i needed it!

Posted By : ChickenArise - 4/10/2017 8:57 AM
Rikky1 said...
>>Treatment with azithromycin (500 mg daily for 3 days, repeated after 7 days) plus minocycline (50 mg daily for 2 weeks) cleared the blood and saliva of the RNA and DNA of all three Bartonella species."

this one was good for a laugh i needed it!


Yes, these are the responses I was looking for. They make it sound so easy.
AUG14:Mold Sick.FALL16:Clinical Bart/Borellia.
NOV16:Lung Pain. JAN17:Morg Scalp (resolved)
FEB17: Pupils, throat glow UV light.
Xanax,Kratom,Ambien,+Biaxin,+Fluconazole,+Augmentin,-Tini(P),+Doxy(P),Order Rif
Now Cycling: Albendazole
MAR17:+DEC,+Stabilized Oxygen O7
Focus:Morgellons pre fibrous
Proto:Mod Klinghardt
Tx: self

Posted By : Girlie - 4/10/2017 10:59 AM
Not only is it too short of treatment - the combo usually won't get bart.


Maybe if you catch it early?
Moderator, Lyme Forum
Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi
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