My journey with Prostrate Cancer

12/24/04

I thought my journey with prostrate cancer (PC) and my treatment my help someone with there decisions that they will make should they find out they have the condition. Ill give you an order of events as they happened to me and what my choices where:

First a little about me: White male, 44yo, very healthy, feeling great.

 

1. Early this summer I had a physical and received a PSA score of 4.9 and my doctor suggested I see a urologist.  0 to 4 is normal so I wasn’t much out of the normal range.

From 4 to about 10 is elevated and higher then 10 is high. This is a very controversial test though. Many people said don’t worry about it. I was to young to have PC and my score should just be used as a base line for further tests.

2. Early fall for some reason I went and saw the urologist. He did the regular exam. He said if he hadn’t seen the PSA score he would have sent me home and told me just to have my regular physicals. But because he had seen my PSA scores he was a little more aggressive with his finger in my ass felling my prostrate. He still couldn’t tell if he felt anything and suggested I get a biopsy anyway.

3. I had the biopsy and the results where positive for PC. 20% of the biopsy was cancerous., with a Gleason score of 3+3.

The biopsy is done by shooting a needle through your colon into your prostrate at 12 different locations. On a 1 to 10 scale the pain is about a 4 or 5 and only that probably because you have someone up your ass which in itself is uncomfortable.

The Gleason score is what tells how aggressive your cancer is to some degree. It has to do with how deformed the cells are. Remember this though; prostrate cancer is very slow growing.

4. No came the hard part. What to do. The urologist immediately suggested surgery because I was young and healthy. He told me the various techniques, open surgery (hands in) and robotic surgery, (no hands in) which is less invasive and apparently more successful at reducing the problems that can occur from having your prostrate removed. i.e. impotence and continence. They also do a nerve sparing technique so you can still get it up. He also told me of the other options i.e. a.) Radiation seeding, b.) Radiation therapy, c.) Freezing, d.) Hormone therapy and e.) Doing nothing.

The older you are the more options you have depending on how you look at it. Most people are old when they are diagnosed with PC. The older you are the likelihood is that you will die from something else other then PC because it is slow growing.

From what I found out radiation therapy and removal have about the same success rate at 15 years out. I was so young and healthy, my PC found early that removal was best because this could provide a cure.  I opted for the robotic surgery.

4. I sit here at home writing this two days after my surgery. I am uncomfortable and in some pain but not enough for me to take anything for it.  I will tonight as it helps me sleep. It feels like I pulled some serious muscles doing some crunches. Pain level at about 4 or 5 again. The pain actually come from having gas.  I have 5 small pencil size holes in my gut at the belly button level (this is where the camera and robotic arms are placed) and a catheter in my penis. It will be there for about a week. As for continence I wont know till it is removed. As for getting it up, I wont know that either till the catheter is removed and I can spend 30 minutes in the bathroom enjoying myself. Ill let you know how it turns out.

 

Let me know if this has been helpful to anyone. I pretty much went into this blind.

Ill keep you updated as it goes I guess.

Good luck to anyone with PC.

Follow up to My journey with Prostrate Cancer.

Had my doctors visit today… Removed my catheter. Not painful at all.

It’s been a couple of hours and I’ve been to the bathroom a couple of times. Everything working like normal. I guess tonight when I sleep will be the big test. They said I should leak a little and that it will go away after a few weeks. I haven’t seen any yet. I’m starting to do my Kegel exercises, which will strengthen my muscles used for controlling my bladder. I’m to do this three times a day.

They will do pathology on your prostrate when it is removed to determine exactly how much of it was cancerous. And if you have clean margins. The prostrate is divided into two lobes with seminal vesicles on each side respectively. The report states how much of the cancer consumed each side with a Gleason score accordingly for each side.

It takes about a week. Mine was organ contained (which means it did not make out to the outer sack that covers your prostrate or to the seminal vesicles) which is best but remember they found mine very early.  They said no sex and still no driving until my next visit in two weeks. No regular exercise yet either.

All in all so fare, everything going well to this moment. I have to say my Doctors and the hospital where I had my surgery where really great. They are the tops in their field and numerous awards, even from the First Lady. If anyone wants their information just drop a line with your e-mail address and Ill send it to you. My brother has been in the medical field al his life with such organizations as the Joint Commission on Accreditation of hospitals and a director for Blue Cross/Shield. He was able to check these guys out thoroughly.

I don’t have/know all the information about Prostrate Cancer but like I said, I hope my ordeal is informative to anybody getting ready to go through this, and the decisions they will make. If I can be of any help just drop a line. Ill keep you posted as mine is still not over yet. Next step to see if I can get it up.  Good luck to all.

 

Follow up to My journey with Prostrate Cancer.

Well its two weeks since the surgery to the day. I am feeling very good. The entry sites on my stomach are healing very well and are almost undetectable. I have little or no pain in my abs but a little uncomfortable when I cough still in my groin area, but feeling better every day. I take a variety of vitamins and minerals. I think this is probably helping out quit a bit. Mobility is not a problem but still taking it easy. I’m showing no signs of incontinence worth mentioning day or night. There is still the occasional sight of blood in my urine but the doctor says that can continue for a couple of more weeks. I know its early but still no woody yet. I have no idea when that will return to normal. Ill breathe a tremendous sigh of relief when that happens. Wish I could exercise to help relieve the anxiety. Tomorrow I think I start walking the stairs in my high rise. Should be all right.
I hope all is well or at least getting better for those of us going through this. And again for those getting ready for this, I hope this is informative. Ill update this once a week till its over. Good luck to all.
Having trouble finding a good robotic surgeon to do nerve sparing technique. If you don't mind me asking, who did your surgery and where?
Send me your e-mail address to hox4011@aol.com and Ill give you the info.

SDH,

Your journal is very interesting and helpful.  Thanks for writing it.  I am 44 and have just been diagnosed with prostate cancer (PSA 4.3 and Gleeson 6), and I'm trying to make sense of the choices.  Thanks again.

Steve

 

Glad I could be of some help Steve....
 

Follow up to My journey with Prostrate Cancer.

 

Well today is the three-week point since the surgery and just finished with a follow up visit with the doctor. So far everything going great according to him. I can even return to work at the end of the month. There was still some blood in my urine but he says nothing to worry about. As long as its not like ketchup and impeding my ability to urinate. Just part of the healing process. The entry sites on my abdomen are healed up very nicely. He even had a hard time finding them all. As far as continence, no problems at all from the get go. He still wants me to do my Kegel exercises. Needless to say I am very aware of everything that’s happening to me. I return in March for my first PSA test after the surgery. Anything below 0.5 is to be normal.

 As fare as the no woody action, he stated three weeks is very early. It could take up to three months after that it’s something to worry about. The doctors not worried but I am. Im on a study drug that is to help out on nerve repair/rejuvenation/function. Whether Im getting the placebo or not we don’t know. But according to the timetables on the study drug, in about two to three more weeks Im to start on Viagra. Before all I had to do was pull between to parked cars and I had had a woody. Hopefully this will return to me. I feel sorry for my girlfriend when this happens although I doubt she think that way. Well that’s all I have for now. Ill keep this updated with any significant changes or my next follow up.

Good luck to all………

 

Follow up to My journey with Prostrate Cancer.        01/20/2005

 

Well its been 4 weeks and one day since the surgery and we have wood……..

Had my appointment with the study drug administrator today. She gave me Viagra that I am to take during the study as needed. Well I needed it due to my Johnson being missing in action even though the doctor said it was very early since the surgery and to just be patient. Easy for him to say. Well, I got home as quick as I could and took some right away…….. And it worked good. The study drug administrator said that eventually I wont need it…. I hope she’s right……

So for all those out there going through our ordeal there is a light at the end of the tunnel. I hope your situation ends up as favorable as mine. Good luck to all.

Like I said before. I hope this little journal of my experience with Prostrate Cancer, the surgery and what happened after will help those going through this or about to. This will be my last entry. God bless, and once again good luck.

I have been getting e-mails for information on the doctors who performed my surgery. I guess there’s no reason to not put their info out in the open so here it is and once again they did a great job…. Good luck to everyone....

 

Dr. Ravi Munver and Dr. Ihor Sawczuk

Hackensack University Medical Center

201-336-8090

www.HUMED.com

I had Brachytherapy seed implant and it went awsome, that was 5 years ago I was almost 41 now 46 but have only mild problems because I have a wonderfully patient woman and that is what men need. I was back to Work after only 1.5 weeks out of the hospital now the scariest part for me was comming too and seeing the technition in the room monitoring the radiation level in full radiation suit lol. When I was diagnosed PSA was 3.7 but a nodual was found on digital exam then the biopsy showed cancer. Now my PSA is around .75 and cancer free and enjoying life see you all later.
Scott1
To: sdhoxie,
You mentioned you worked with a drug administrator after your prostatotomy. How did you go about contacting one? I had a prostatotomy in October of 2001. I was back to work in 2 weeks. After 4 weeks my catheter was removed and I had no problems with incontinence nor ever had any incontinence problems since. I have never been able to have a natural errection since. The doctor gave me a prescription to inject my penis that caused an errection a couple of times but stopped working shortly after. Viagra doesn't help nor does any other advertised drugs. The doctor who did the operation was noted to do prostatotomy operations that prevent incontinence and impotency. I am 66 years old and consider myself in good health. Your comments please.
To Stortom
The drug administrator came to me. The drug is an experimental drug for nerve repair after radical prostrate surgery. I am part of a blind study. The administrator is assigned to my doctor’s office and if you meet the requirements for their study which I apparently did you are asked to be put on it. The doctors that performed my surgery are basically some of the pioneers in the field of prostrate surgery not to mention robotic surgery. They have been doing it since the beginning. I was lucky to find them. They where able to save both my nerves and I was back to work and working out pretty good a little over six weeks after the surgery and I am now cancer free. I am very healthy and work out every day and supplement my healthy diet with a variety on vitamins and minerals. I’m sure this is having and effect on my recovery. My catheter was in only a week and I have never had any incontinence issues from the beginning. Never leaked at all. As far as erectile dysfunction, about a month after the surgery I was put on Viagra and have been taking it every day. They provide it for me while I am on the study, and it has worked for me ever since, and I am at times almost able to get a complete erection on my own without the drug. Every day it is getting better. It will be six months for me the 22 of June. I can only say that if you are not satisfied with the results from your doctor that you pay mine a visit. They are defiantly very good at what they do. I posted their info earlier in this journal. Hope it helps out.
Thank you for your response. What I plan to do is take this information to my doctor and let him determine what the next step I should take to bring me back in action. I can get a partial erection but not enough to penetrate. I'll give him the name of your doctor and maybe he can have some correspondence with him.
By the way, I am healthy, cancer free, now retired but maintain a physically harder schedule and busier then ever before.
Thank you

These are the Doctors that treated me for my Prostrate Cancer. I highly recommend them. There contact info is posted earlier in this journal.                                           

IHOR S. SAWCZUK, M.D.

  • Chairman, Department of Urology
    Hackensack University Medical Center
  • Chief, Urologic Oncology
    Hackensack University Medical Center
  • Professor of Surgery (Urology)
    University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey
  • Adjunct Professor of Urology
    College of Physicians and Surgeons, Columbia University
  • Previous Vice Chairman of Urology
    College of Physicians and Surgeons, Columbia University
  • Medical Education: Medical College of Pennsylvania
  • Internship/Residency:
    St. Vincent’s Hospital Medical Center
    Columbia Presbyterian Medical Center

Special Interests: Urologic Oncology, Robotic Prostatectomy

Ihor S. Sawczuk, M.D. is Chairman of the Department of Urology and Chief of Urologic Oncology at Hackensack University Medical Center. He is a Professor of Urology, and former Vice Chairman of Urology at the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Columbia University.

Dr. Sawczuk completed his urologic training at the Squier Urological Clinic at the Presbyterian Hospital and his urologic oncology training as a fellow of the National Cancer Institute in the Departments of Urology and Human Genetics of Columbia University. He was named as a Ferdinand C. Valentine Fellow of the New York Academy of Medicine, a Burroughs Wellcome Scholar of the American Urological Association and an E.R. Squibb and Sons National Kidney Foundation Young Investigator. Dr. Sawczuk has received awards from the New York Academy of Medicine, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Heart Association, Society of Basic Urologic Research, National Kidney Foundation, and the Kidney Cancer Association.

In 1995, Dr. Sawczuk was presented the prestigious Russell and Mary Hugh Scott Education Award by the American Foundation of Urologic Disease. In 1996, the Office of the First Lady, Hillary Rodham Clinton recognized Dr. Sawczuk for his humanitarian efforts in regards to his Chornobyl Relief work. He is a past board member of the Children of Chornobyl Relief Fund, was co-director of the International Cooperative Urological Education Program of the American Urological Association, and co-director of the Chipovsky Grant for International Urologic Exchange. He is a past member of the Urology Advisory Board of the New York Academy of Medicine. Citations include: Who’s Who Among Rising Young Americans, New York Magazine’s feature article “Best Doctors in New York,” Best Doctors: NY Metro Area, and BestDocs.com. Dr. Sawczuk is a fellow of the American College of Surgeons and of the New York Academy of Medicine.

He belongs to numerous urological associations, including the American Urological Association and the Society of Urologic Oncology, is board-certified in Urology, and has authored/co-authored more than 200 abstracts, articles, and chapters.

Dr. Sawczuk specializes in the surgery and management of urologic cancers including prostate, bladder, and testes. His specific area of interest is the surgical and immunological management of renal cancer and he sits on the Medical Advisory Board of the Kidney Cancer Association.

 

RAVI MUNVER, M.D.

HOSPITAL TITLE: Assistant Attending Urologist
Co-Chief, Minimally Invasive Urologic Surgery

ACADEMIC TITLE: University
New York, New York Assistant Professor of Surgery (Urology)
University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey - New Jersey Medical School
Newark, New Jersey

Adjunct Assistant Professor of Urology
New York - Presbyterian Hospital
Weill Medical College of Cornell

MEDICAL EDUCATION: Cornell University Medical College
New York, NewYork                                                                                                               Doctor of Medicine

INTERNSHIP: Duke University Medical Center
Durham, North Carolina
General Surgery

UROLOGICAL RESIDENCY: Duke University Medical Center
Durham, North Carolina
Senior Resident – Urology
Chief Resident – Urology

FELLOWSHIP: New York-Presbyterian Hospital
Weill Medical College of Cornell University
New York, New York
Endourology, Laparoscopy, and Minimally Invasive Surgery

SUBSPECIALTY INTERESTS: Robotic Prostatectomy
Laser Prostate Surgery
Kidney Stone Disease
Laparoscopic Urologic Surgery
General Urology, Urologic Oncology

Post Edited (sdhoxie) : 6/24/2005 10:07:00 PM (GMT-6)

Six month follow up..

Well it’s been six months since the robotic surgery to remove my prostrate and I just finished my physical with the doctor. PSA 0.03 which is basically zero. There looking for anything less then 0.5 after your surgery.

No physical problems what so ever. Working out at the gym like crazy but was pretty much able to do that since about 6 to 8 weeks after the surgery. I recommend getting on an exercise routine as soon as possible. I really think it helps out with the recovery and the stress of it all. I started with just some simple aerobics. 30 minutes a day.

As far as incontinence, it was never an issue. Don’t know what to say about that.

ED is still a problem although I have 100% erection capability with Viagra. So it does work. In the beginning it took two pills and then one. Depends on the person. On my own I can get one about 80% of the time. Getting better every day. The doctor said the next six months would be the deciding factor. By then it will be a year. He said it could take up to that amount of time with the trauma the nerves go through during the surgery, but that I’m very much ahead of the game.

I’ve been taking Viagra everyday since about one month after the surgery. I’ve read where doctors have put their patients on it right after. I think it helps with getting the plumbing back in order faster. So if you can get your hands on it I recommend starting that as soon as possible.

I just want to get back to my per miscues, selfish, womanizing self, so to speak. I’m single……….. No wonder right. Anyways feeling a lot better about things.

 

To all those going through this or about to, keep the faith. It’s a cruel thing to go through but there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

If you have any questions drop me a line here.

Good luck……

SDH

 

Post Edited (sdhoxie) : 6/24/2005 8:53:12 AM (GMT-6)

I am a 71 year old, who just had robotic removal of my prostrate 2 weeks ago. The catherer was just removed yesterday and I am having problems with incontinence when I stand, sit, laugh, etc. I am trying to start my kegel exercises. Is this incontinence to be expected? How long does it usually last? Is there anything else I can do to help this situation? Am I getting concerned too soon? Any suggestions would be appreciated.
yeah  From what I have been told it is too early to tell and things should get better. My Dr. told me it could take two to four months. Best of luck on your recovery. Regards, Mike
I have had similar issues with incontinece.  I think Healingwell.com has some good resources.  As to dealing with my incontinence issues I have found some product like LINERS and Discreet Pull ups to help me out and be more comfortable.  I recieve some FREE SAMPLE from an imporatant resourse since I have had these issues.  I wish everyone to get well.
 
Blessings,
David
 
It is now 8 weeks since robotic surgery--6 weeks since catherer was removed. I still have extensive dripping after I sit and then stand or when I walk. Am I doing the kegels correctly--go to bathroom standing up--start to urinate--stop and hold it to the count of 5 and then repeat the procedure two more times. Also do it several times a day, without urinating.
Has anyone tried Detrol La for the dripping. I have been on it for 11 days--still waiting to see some resul

To Raymond...and the rest of us......

Sorry I can’t give you any information on the incontinence issue. I have had no problems with it from the beginning, and therefore have not had to deal with it. I can say that after reading several of the postings in this forum you are not alone. Hopefully someone will be able to shed some light on the issue for you.

All I can say though is that if your are not satisfied with your results that you might want to consider giving the Doctors that performed my surgery a call. I cannot express enough how good these guys are, at least in my case. I am going on 9 months since my surgery and I am almost back to 100% of what I was prior to that surgery and still getting better every day. I no longer even need Viagra to take care of business anymore.

If anything be patient, like I’ve said its an ugly thing we’ve had go through and it will get better.

Good luck to you.........