OK TO DISAGREE

Diseases & Conditions Diabetes
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 Hello everyone , Some of you know me a little by now and I just wanted to say a few things. So listen up(s) I think it is perfectly ok to disagree with each other, as long as there are no name calling and profanity. I see no reason why we can't all express our opinion. After all most of this is only opinions . They do help though . ALL OF THEM.
I mean if most of you guys knew what I believed I would probably start a war. For instance, I don't think any disease is genetic. I think they are due to life style habits and envirnment.(don't think I spelled that right). I also think if the Medical Doctors would incorpate more of the alternative natural meds with others we would all be a lot better off. Do I think that Zach got sick because of meds he has taken since he was 4? Absolutely. Do I think antibiotics are dangerous to our health? Absolutely. See, even I could start a fevered discussion with all that I believe, but I still am entitled to my opinion as is every one else. By the way just because I may not beleive as you does not mean I could not be your friend. Thanks for letting me have my say.
 
zach's granny
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Hi Zach's Granny,

I have to say one thing and this isn't an arguement or anything....but why don't you believe any disease is genetic?  There are a lot of type2s who are young and have looked after themselves.  I do agree that there are a lot of environmental factors (such as the additives put into our everyday food and drinks etc) but surely you must accept that there's a genetic disposition and that environmental factors just help to tip the scales?

There is an illness called sickle cell anemia (not sure whether I spelt that right) but basically it occurs when two parents have slightly 'mis-shaped' blood cells which are there as a kind of evolutionary way of tackling malaria.  Basically, the child's blood cells are seriously 'mis-shaped' or sickle-shaped and so it causes serious illness.  Now, wouldn't you say this is genetic?  Why can't it therefore be right that at least t2 is partly genetic?

I hope you don't think I'm being arguementative, I just wanted to put my view across about it - I'm happy to hear others views but I'm sure there are a lot of t2s out there who would be a little upset to hear someone think it's their own fault for getting this disease.

I also want to say that although in some deep tropical jungle there could be some sort of natural remedy to help diabetes, t1 occurs because our pancreas can no longer make insulin.  There isn't a natural remedy for it - we need insulin.  If there were to be something which kick-started the pancreas into making insulin again then fine, but t1 occurs because antibodies in the body attack the insulin-making cells in the pancreas and therefore make them unable to produce insulin.  Insulin is a hormone and one which our body needs to live.  For all the supplements and natural remedies out there, they aren't insulin.  They make help regulate our blood sugars a bit but are no replacement for insulin.

One other thing - antibiotics have saved millions of lives around the world.  Everything is dangerous in one respect or another - insulin is dangerous if too much is taken.  But we have to balance out the benefits and the problems, and do what is best.

Sorry - I really don't mean to be part of a war or anything - I really do respect that you have other views but I believe I am right and like to voice what I believe!!  tongue

Claire xx

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I agree about being pre-disposed to T2. My mother learned at age 79 two years ago that she had been a T2 diabetic for who knows how many years and that a lot of the symptoms that were so mysterious were really diabetes getting worse. She has always eaten vegetables and cooked for herself, taken vitamins, and never been overweight. I was diagnosed as a T2 in October of 2005. When I went to the diabetic counselor, she told me what good health I was in and said she could only prescibe diet and to lose 10 pounds. I have lost the 10 pounds to 129. I have never been overweight, always took vitamins, and carefully watched what I ate since I was allergic to so many things. My counselor said my taking care of myself probably put off the onset of the disease until now. I do genealogical research and just recently found a death certificate of a g-g-grandfather. I was very surprised to see that the reason for his death was complications of diabetes. Until then we did not know anyone on my Mother's side of the family had ever had it. But you can look back on that side and see the weight held around the waist and a lot of other factors. I believe I am living proof that diabetes can be genetic or that you are at least genetically pre-disposed to it. The one thing that would have helped both my Mother and myself is exercise. We were not overweight, so we did not exercise regularly. My younger sister has now begun following my diet regimen and exercising everyday. Having the knowledge we now have and making good choices is the best way we can "handle" the disease right now until science makes more discoveries and hopefully finds a cure.
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Me, I'm all about living with the life I have and not looking over my shoulder at what I could or could have not done or who gave me this particular dilema to deal with. I like to look at where I am, what I can do to help myself, how I can help others and especially to help educate those who are new to this disease so they can get over the shock and get on with living. That is just the way my mind works.

Some people find hope in possible cures, I donate to research. Some try alternative or herbal helps, I try some things, check my sugars and use what works... FOR ME. I can't do anything but offer ideas of what I know works for me and maybe what the general medical community consensus is on meds and herbals. I cannot control this thing and that's the hardest part of all for me because I'm a controller! tongue I just do the best I can, which I believe is all we are trying to do.

Take care all.

~ Jeannie

"People are like stained glass windows: They sparkle and shine when the sun's out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is light within."

- Elizabeth Kubler-Ross

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 Hi Claire, nice to meet you. I usually have to post anything I write in a hurry because I don't spend a whole lot of time on the computer, So maybe I should take a little longer to explain myself better. I don't think I said that being sick was "your fault" But I do think it is our life style's fault. I mean all of us. We like for things to be easy so we buy processed foods. We run to the Dr. with even small ailments, then they hand out drugs like candy. And yes I would take the antibiotics if I had to  I have in the past. But until I do "have" to I try to do other things to boost my immune system.And if I have to take the antibiotics After I got through with them I would take a probiotic to put back the good bacteria that the drug killed as it was killing the bad. I do not think there is a herb in the rain forest that will cure everything . I am a little more realistic than that. I do however feel that all and I do mean ALL illnesses come from a weakened immune system And I also know that only the immune system can cure you. The only thing we can do is try to keep as much of the bad out as possible so we can have stronger immune systems. As far as you wanting to know why I don't feel that it is genetic well, We all learn certain things from our parents, and they, their parents and so on. Traditions, opinions, foods, ect. Now I said it is our lifestyle's fault But even our lifestyle is not totally under our control. The FDA has more say about us than we do. We never know what we are eating Or what we are taking. They don't want us to know. And trust me Claire-bear  We probably don't even want to know . You mentioned sicle cell anemia , well my hat is off to you because I really don't know a whole lot about it. I think it only affects the black race, if that Is true ,Then maybe I need to back up a step and say that 98% is not because of genetics. I  see people with the same disease all the time and as far as I know they are not geneticaly related . And don't ever worry about giving your opinion It's ok to be argumentive Hey I do it a lot. I respect your opinion and your right to have it. (s)  I do think there is a need for doctors, I just think they should get involved more in other methods of treating miner stuff with something other than drugs. Hope I helped you to understand why I have the opinion I do.

Take care tongue

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I think controlling Diabetes is nothing, but day to day miniuplation of blood sugar, using food, oral meds, exercise and insulin if you choose or your Doctor imposes it upon you. It is nothing more or nothing less. As I reflect on this what else could the object of this be. It certianly is not cure. The best you can hope to do is containment and control. Sometimes you can't really be sure how you are really doing until you have an A1C test done It is what it is. How would you evalueate the whole situation? Steve Kreloff. It's a never ending challenge till your last breath on earth. Excuse me for bieng so harsh and so blunt and I believe so truthful
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Lets not be naive about genetics.  There are many known diseases that are genetic in their basis, and just because you can't trace a link in your family doesn't mean the gene hasn't been recessive for over a century!  There are over 60 well known genetic "diseases" that can be tested for and linked to a specific gene or dna marker.  Tay sachs, Sickle cell anemia, progeria, etc. are all well known well documented genetic disorders. Please don't try to tell me that an infant born with Tay-sachs disease or prorgeria that dies prematurely, contracted these horrible conditions due to "lifestyle". 

The fact that they are doing research into the genetic markers for diabetes and have hopes of a vaccine based on this research certainly doesn't mean this is a disease of opportunity.  Yes we are all entiltled to our opinions, but sometimes those opinions are just wrong.  So for those of you that are type 1 diabetics, PLEASE don't think that you're lifestyle or anything you did caused your conditions.  Especially in Juvenile diabetics, you are just born with something broken, and you need to take steps to compensate for that to live a normal life.  Read through the threads in this forum. 

Do you think the little girl that is type 1, whom her parents wake up multiple times a night to check her blood sugar contracted this disease???  I don't think so.  I think she was born with it, and it waited a certain amount of time to manifest itself to the point where doctors could say..."ahhh...she's a type one juvenile diabetic". 

I truely appreciate your opinions and your participation in this forum, but you are dead wrong on genetic diseases and very wrong on the causes of type one diabetes.

scool Warren

It's not that some people have willpower and some don't. It's that some people are ready to change and others are not. - James Gordon, M.D.
What some call health, if purchased by perpetual anxiety about diet, isn't much better than tedious disease. - George Dennison Prentice

I can only please one person per day, today is not your day...tomorrow doesn't look good either.

Post Edited (Warren) : 4/17/2006 12:15:39 AM (GMT-6)

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Please acquaint yourself with the forum rules concerning respect for others opinions and not flaming members. People are entitled to their own opinions on this website and trash talk, cuss words and other unkind behaviors will not be tolerated. Please be more considerate in the future.

Post Edited By Moderator (Jeannie143) : 7/27/2006 8:13:09 AM (GMT-6)